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Thinking of buying WebDev is it a good product?
Débuté par James Nicholson-Plank, 30 oct. 2014 23:16 - 7 réponses
Posté le 30 octobre 2014 - 23:16
Thanks in advance for any insights here.

Ive played with webbdev in version 14 (bought it), but it just seemed very busy and confusing to really get stuck into a project.

so a few years down the track and Ive just got two new eCommerce sites to do from an ad agency and Im wondering if its worth jumping back into the saddle?

In the past there were bugs galore and a wave of emotion about the service PCSoft was giving english speaking users. Or not.

So I could please use some direction...

Will the product help me speed up development or will I just get bogged down in the learning process?
Bump into to many bugs?
Or just find it hard to implement the Ad Agencies designs?

And help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a million
James
Posté le 31 octobre 2014 - 21:00
Thanks Piet, and Allard
Piet I see it still has its quirks. And Allard The external css sounds great. I wonder if it actually works?

Thanks for your input guys, really appreciate it.
WebDev is no small investment and to be honest if I went this way I would invest in mobile and windev to, so I have to be very certain in my own mind this is the right move.

Good to here about external css, and I see version 20 is on the horizon but as Ive seen before that means a whole new set of bugs, from there new 10000000 features. <img src="/NG2013_WEB/ui/smiley/1.gif" align=absmiddle border=0 alt=":-)">

So probably version 19 is a good place to start.

I was planning to use PCSCloud or what ever its called. I see its about 80 euro a month to have a hosting platform for my sites. I have had experience with the Xojo development system and their cloud, and it makes life very easy, so I hope PCsoft experience is similar .

The key reason I'm thinking about moving back to webded is is making the pretty stuff work well, and SEO.

Does the SEO work ok with WebDEV?

Again thanks for your input guys
Posté le 01 novembre 2014 - 14:03
Hi,

Don't get your hopes up on "external css".
There's an example to change css by programming, but it only works with IE, so I would say it's useless.
AFAIK you cannot change the style of your project by simply selecting a different style sheet.
The concept of project styles and skin styles (not modifiable, can only be duplicated into the project) is not right for web development.
The standard skin styles are just too limited.
Actually the css/style part has lot's of extra features in WB 19, but you cannot use many of them combined without unexpected results.
I have still not found a way to create buttons with icons other than creating a completely new svg image for each and every one of them.
So if I would want to change the style of all of my buttons, I have to edit all of the associated images.
That should be a lot easier. (I would like to be able create a button style and put a little icon on top).

I don't use SEO since my sites are login only for customers.
I did use it on my home page though, but I don't know how to measure the effect.

As for the PCS Cloud, see a post a while ago about that.
I use an unmanaged VPS, it's cheaper, not shared and completely configurable.

Regards,
Piet
Posté le 02 novembre 2014 - 10:16
A question for experienced WB users is:

If you knew what you know now, would you still have chosen WB as the development platform for your large web apps?

If not, what platform would you have chosen?

Michael
Posté le 02 novembre 2014 - 11:07
Hi Michael,

I would definitely still use Webdev.

Regards,
Piet
Posté le 03 novembre 2014 - 12:00
I have used webdev ( version 18 ) for a view sites and I got what I wanted. There are limitations but choosing an other platform is not really an option for me. It's to compecated for me.

Webdev is costly. Hmm depends where you compare it with. If you compare it with php and a free platform then it is expensive. to buy but cheep in hours spent on a project. And changes are you willnot be able to finnish the project at all snce php and an opensource framework are way more difficult.

If you compare it to out systems then it is really cheep. Out systems costs about 1200 a month. But Then you get something competely different as well.
Out systems lets you build enterprice applications ready to use with thousands concurrent users.

The pro for webdev is it's simplicity to use. Not everything works as espected but not technical persons can make some amaizing stuff. Iam not verry technical and made an application for an insurance company in just two weeks. It relies on mysql to store data that it uses to make some pretty advanced calculations. In just 1 extra week I changed the app so it can be used by several insurance companies as a saas application.

I made my company site with webdev as well. It's a site with cms. But i donnot think I would ever make a website for someone else because off the css etc

Regards

Allard
Posté le 03 novembre 2014 - 13:31
Webdev allowed me to leverage my knowledge of Windev to develop some very powerful applications. For someone who didn't know a thing about web design and layout. My first web application with data entry and reporting was pretty good. My apps are basically client server apps that now need to run on the web for accessibility reasons. Nobody really cares about the ability to change the interface on the fly.

This is where I think WB stands out. If you need a pretty face with little database activity, then WB might not be for you......on the other hand, if the reverse is true.....its the best tool for the job...especially if you know windev already.

issah
Posté le 03 novembre 2014 - 13:45
Hi issah,

I agree partly with you. As I stated I made some cool applications with webdev as well. But converting a windev application to webdev is not an easy task. Especially if you know windev than you are used to certain funcionality thatis avanleble out of the box.

You can look at it in different ways. I think it isnot really a shortcomming webdev has but more the great functionality windev has.

If you know your windev app will have to be an internet site later on it is good praktise to take te abilities of webdev in considderation when creating your windev app. There are lots of things that are easy in windev that are not so easy or not even possible in webdev.

There a quite a view cool controls in windev that are not availeble in webdev. For instance pivot , gant table, using widgets etc. In version 19 great stuff is added to windev that I would like to use in webdev. Version 19 of webdev is less great then the windev version.

Just my opinion

Regards

Allard