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| Iniciado por guest, 22,may. 2018 02:58 - 7 respuestas |
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 02:58 |
Hello All,
I am playing with WB23 try to build a simple 4 page static site use a template for header and footer. I am in the learning phase so it is taking a long time to figure out the cause and effect of all the different layout objects. I have about 30 hrs in it so far just to get the header with menu and footer to work. I spent 5hrs trying to use that template on 1 page very simple 2 column page. during the process I would save a lot to make sure I don't loose stuff in case a crash happens. I final finished the first age and on the last save got an error invalid argument and crash. When I reopened it all my work was gone completely wipe out everything! also my backup windows are also empty. I am sorry but WEBDEV is complete shit in any form.
I tried since version 21 to use it but spent way to much time getting simple things to work. Way to much money for this product it is worth about 20 bucks retail and that's it.
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 13:55 |
Hi DW,
Just passing by today...
I completely understand your frustrations as I've been down that same road before trying WebDev since V12 up to V21...
Sometimes I wonder to what extent WB is really used for making any real world-class web applications.
There's only one product in the suite that is actually mature enough (although becoming pretty old-school/vintage imho) to build production proof apps and that is WinDev. Been doing my tiresome ranting in earlier posts on this forum already a long time ago...
BUT: If you want to do web stuff using WX, I would suggest to implement all your backend logic as REST api's using WinDev in that case and use a real web development tool to do the front end next (or have it done by a specialist) using those REST api's. The same goes for mobile I'ld say...
There may be some constraints when choosing for this option in the area of scalability and performance of the WebDev server to handle the REST requests. We still have a pretty heavy WB app running on a global network (which we're re-writing in something else) used in three continents and we have to say it is pretty slow compared to other web technologies on the same architecture.
So doing web (or mobile) with WX: I'ld say yes when you create your backend with WinDev implemented as REST api's and doing the front-end with something more appropriate.
Just my 2 €-cents 
Peter Holemans |
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 13:57 |
Hi Dennis,
I don't know what you are doing to come to that conclusion but I will have to totally disagree with you
I have been building BIG websites with webdev for years (my first VERY big and complex one was made in webdev 11, for Marc Beaven and is still running today, you can ask him about it if you do not believe me).
Now, I do agree that it's much more complex to build a big application in WebDev that it is in Windev, but that is due to the web way of things, not webdev...
I'm thinking that you never took the time to really follow the learning curve with webdev, and maybe you should start by watching all my webdev videos on my youtube channel...
And of course, trying to do something serious with a pre-version like the current 23 US is just asking for trouble...
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 16:29 |
Hello Fabrice,
I know that you are well versed with Webdev BUT, the whole Idea of ten times faster does not apply on the basic level. If a person like myself that is not a Webdev pro took the time to go thru the tutorials, took the time to read the help, took the time to study the examples can not build a simple 4 page static site this is a HUGE problem.
This is the site I am trying to convert to Webdev. It took a collage kid 6hrs on Adobe Muse to make it. Adobe Muse has been discontinued so I was ask to complete it.
Adobe Muse version
I spent 30hrs to get this 1 page to work started by using the responsive sample supplied with Webdev.
Webdev version
After I made this page decided to go further and create a template with header and footer.
Many hours later I created my first page with all kinds of issues. Final figured out the right combo and completed the Services page. That is when the save wiped out everything that I worked on for 5hrs. This is unacceptable for ANY program beta or not.
The page uses 3 controls RTA_Satic , Cells and image control it does not get any more simple that that.
DW
Fabrice Thanks for taking the time that you give to this forum it has been a great help over the last ten years. |
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 17:02 |
Hi Dennis,
If you simply need a static site, use Mobirise. It is free, lightening fast in any browser and I think you can get your 4 page website done in about 2 hours with it. Another option is using WordPress (like PCSoft who isn't using WB for their own website apart of the darn slow forum pages).
I did quite some basic stuff with Mobirise for static websites (including some of my own companies websites). Getting a basic 100% bootstrap compatible responsive site up and running can be done in less than an hour. At least a million times faster than WB which is certainly imho not the right tool for the job you are aiming at...
Here you go: https://mobirise.com/
You'll be amazed of how fast you get an impeccable result
Again my 2 €-cents,
Peter Holemans |
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 17:13 |
| When we've got to do pages like this using webdev, we use an HTML control, make it the size of the page, and anchor it to the height and width so it will always cover everything, and use HTML, JS and bootstrap to build the HTML and assign it to the HTML control |
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 17:27 |
Thanks Peter,
I do use Wordpress for my products website took about 8hrs to set up everything. I would never dream of trying it in Webdev. I will give Mobirise a look.
CabinetTrac
DW |
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| Publicado el 22,mayo 2018 - 18:42 |
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Peter Holemans
Hi DW,
Just passing by today...
I completely understand your frustrations as I've been down that same road before trying WebDev since V12 up to V21...
Sometimes I wonder to what extent WB is really used for making any real world-class web applications.
There's only one product in the suite that is actually mature enough (although becoming pretty old-school/vintage imho) to build production proof apps and that is WinDev. Been doing my tiresome ranting in earlier posts on this forum already a long time ago...
BUT: If you want to do web stuff using WX, I would suggest to implement all your backend logic as REST api's using WinDev in that case and use a real web development tool to do the front end next (or have it done by a specialist) using those REST api's. The same goes for mobile I'ld say...
There may be some constraints when choosing for this option in the area of scalability and performance of the WebDev server to handle the REST requests. We still have a pretty heavy WB app running on a global network (which we're re-writing in something else) used in three continents and we have to say it is pretty slow compared to other web technologies on the same architecture.
So doing web (or mobile) with WX: I'ld say yes when you create your backend with WinDev implemented as REST api's and doing the front-end with something more appropriate.
Just my 2 €-cents
Peter Holemans
I'd agree with Peter here. The REST API stuff is working well for me and allows me to let the front end developers do their thing and I can do mine. Were building an interface to send JSON to the Wordpress API for seeding the product database and then using REST for the transactional stuff. |
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