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| Mobile stable and useful? |
| Iniciado por guest, 07,abr. 2015 23:12 - 11 respuestas |
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| Publicado el 07,abril 2015 - 23:12 |
Hi all
I was a webdev windev 14 user but switched a way 4 years ago. However always liked the platform . Looking at mobile developement now and wondering if windev mobile has matured to a stable product I can use and achieve deadlines with. Ie don't run into bug after bug that means I spend all my time chasing my tail.
Appreciate any advice here
Regards James |
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| Publicado el 08,abril 2015 - 23:35 |
Hello James.
I can tell about WM 17 (the last version I have). I've only used it for Android platform, and simple apps with underlying SQLite DB. It just worked fine for me. Maybe someone can tell his/her own experience in larger mobile projects. What kind of app are you expecting to code in WM?
By the way, I'm a little curious about Wx penetration in NZ. Have you any comment about that?
Best regards. |
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| Publicado el 09,abril 2015 - 00:18 |
Hi Raul
Good to know your happy with WM17, considering 20 is being released soon.
Whats my app? Well Ive been coding one web app since 2006. and some new web apps last year. I see more and more demand for iOS and android apps, so just I'm preparing myself for day I get asked to offer a native mobile front end.
I see a number of major indian commerce sites are dropping their mobile websites and going native app only. I was using mobile web to cover any phones trying to use our app. But I can see the writing on the wall (in indian!)
Currently my business focuses on Real Estate marketing and publishing. My main webapp creates real estate printed magazines and ebooks for a major client.
I looked at Webdev a year ago but for me it was still too buggy. I liked its very cool looking widgets but I needed a solid platform for coding and deploying back and front ends, and easy hosting. Deploying and hosting was always difficult and exceptionally important to me. We have 3 servers doing this.
So last year when deploying became easy on Xojo (and cheap with 2 players) I made a commitment to it to replace my current back and front ends, and am very pleased with the results. Xojo has now released an iOS version, so it can do web, windows, mac, linux, and now iOS. But because of its size and the current projects in front of it , it will be many years before Android is looked at. Hence Im looking around.
I see Android as the consumers app. iOS is great but the average punter can't afford iPhones all the time so many businesses will be focusing on getting to their consumers. Hence Android is important, and I believe Windows Phones will make progress too with win10. And at least PCSoft is considering these even though I see in the forum some are not happy with their progress. Still some progress is better than none.
As to NZ, can't say I know of anyone else playing.
I have followed the product since version 11 and bought all licenses for 12 ( and upgraded to 14). But actually never used it for any projects.
I know the english education side of things has always been patchy, so never really got to grips with the product to a production confident level. Even after buying Fabrices education videos (I think they were videos)
I found Webdev too buggy back then. Plus windev never really catered for the Macs very well (I hate Java Mac apps) So ended up coding my web app in good old asp pages and xojo (then real basic) for mac and windows.
However maybe version 20 is the landmark for mobile for me <img src="/NG2013_WEB/ui/smiley/1.gif" align=absmiddle border=0 alt=":-)"> and if it works well maybe Ill re-look at the others. Who knows.
But thanks for the feedback on mobile. It bodes well if your happy with v17 and 20 is on its way
Thanks again
James |
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| Publicado el 09,abril 2015 - 15:39 |
Hi James,
We have a few apps deployed on Android and iOS with WDM and at this point I can say without a doubt that the Windev Mobile stuff is the best method I've found of producing native apps and trust me... I've tried every IDE / Framework I can find.
I will always continue looking at new / updated development environments, in search of that holy grail experience, but right now, WinDev is it. Below are the ones that I've spent time installing, setting up and learning. Some of which were absolute nightmares.
Appcelerator never worked straight out of the box...especially on windows
Alpha Software pretty nice and has potential... especially in the offline field. This one could be a contender down the road.
Xamarin didn't like this one at all
Ionic this one I like for quick and dirty stuff. Has quite a bit of potential and worked out of the gate.
Android Studio Definitely one to watch. I especially like that they put in multi views like Windev Mobile IDE. Also I like that does a pretty good job with dependancy imports.
Embarcadaro - I'm a long time Delphi developer so this one was really interesting. I think within time, as this one matures it will be another contender.
There are hiccups / frustrations in every single development I've ever used, however, the WD Mobile stuff is the only one that I've used that had the feature sets needed up front AND the ability to add in native code for the target platform if required.
Good luck!
Ken |
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| Publicado el 09,abril 2015 - 16:54 |
Hi Ken.
What version of WM are you using?
Did you try Smartface? I didn't but it seems good.
Regards. |
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| Publicado el 10,abril 2015 - 00:37 |
Cheers Ken
Thanks for h heads up.
Yes I bought alpha 5 years ago and it is good. But back then every time I wanted to deploy I had problems. Especially with their pricing.
I was interested in all the ones you listed especially Embarcadero .
So it looks like windev mobile is a real contender. If I could just get a look at it I might buy it.
Yesterday attempted to download the express version but the download cuts out at exactly one hour. And even though I have the fastest connection possible bar fibre I still can't download 1.5 gig in an hour.
I've contacted pcsoft so maybe they can help.
Again thanks for your feedback
James |
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| Publicado el 10,abril 2015 - 05:48 |
James,
Try to use a download manager to download so that you can resume download if it gets aborted.
I personally prefer to use JDownloader.
HTH
Yogi Yang |
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| Publicado el 11,abril 2015 - 01:51 |
James,
I am primarily a Clarion developer but also own and "dabble" with Windev 18 and Basic4Android. Basic4Android is a great product at a very reasonable price.
I only purchased it late last year so I am still pretty green as a user. When I purchased it I was given a 50% off Discount Token. I think it's still valid, so you are welcome to use it if you wish.
Basic4Android 50% Discount Token coupon code is: fqrkoy
I am interested about Xojo as I looked at it a few year back (before it had the name change). Are you saying you currently develop all your Web and Windows applications using Xojo
Steven Muller
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| Publicado el 11,abril 2015 - 12:53 |
Hi Steven
Yes xojo is a great product.
I'm doing mainly web apps which it is great for. It's secret weapon is container controls.
Making your own control from a number of other controls. This allows exceptional flexiblity .
It is an object oriented language with interfaces and very good inheritance.
Because we publish magazines we have both mac and windows. So xojo is great at creating these products. Plus it has a very active forum for help.
It's my main tool. I recommend it to anyone who wants to create real Mac apps and not java pretenders . Plus it's ideal for web apps with a one click deployment to a hosted xojo environment .
I looked at webdev a year ago and asked this forum for there thoughts. I ended up going with xojo and I'm very happy with my choice
As you can tell I'm a fan...
However...
It doesn't have the really pretty controls windev provides for windows and the web.
It does have a great way to create your own via container controls plus it's rock solid. And the rock solid swung me.
Thanks for the offer for basic for android but I also bought a license. I'm going to relook at it as well as windev mobile which I've just downloaded
Regards James |
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| Publicado el 11,abril 2015 - 14:01 |
James,
I have been using RB the ancestor of Xojo. And I am satisfied with it.
I purchased Xojo last year but I felt is so slow that uninstalled it and have never looked at it. For me at the moment developing for OS X is not a priority. But I have managed to run apps developed in WD using WINE on OS X and they run really very well. Yes they do look different than a standard OS X app though. <img src="/NG2013_WEB/ui/smiley/6.gif" align=absmiddle border=0 alt=";)">
For multi platform I would say you to look at Xero Coder. It is not that matured but looks promising I am waiting for the new version 5 release.
Regards,
Yogi Yang |
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| Publicado el 12,abril 2015 - 07:29 |
So James,
Are you Web Apps hosted in Sydney?
Steven |
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| Publicado el 12,abril 2015 - 22:03 |
Yes Steven
<a class="ExternalLink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.1701software.com">http://www.1701software.com</a>
this is Phillip Zedalis company and he hosts Xojo webapps .
His servers start at as little $15 US a month. These host as many webapps as your happy with the performance. I run the $25 US a month version.
He has server farms in the US and the webapp speed was fine there, but when he set up in Sydney its so much better for NZ access
James |
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