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| Published List of Confirmed Bugs with Status Info |
| Iniciado por guest, 07,dic. 2015 01:19 - 14 respuestas |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 01:19 |
Hi,
Where can I find the published list of confirmed bugs with status and other related info such as what it tool it apples to, version affected, date/version fixed, and steps to take to show bug.
When something doesn't work as expected, and after checking whether the issue is on the list would instantly save us a lot of time... (helping to keep the logo "10 times faster") relevant
Thanks,
Stanley |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 05:06 |
Hi Stanley
What you're asking for there is something that we have all been after for years & which, to the best of my knowledge does not exist anywhere.
Regrettably PCSoft's bug fixing/tracking ability is rather chequered to say the least. Sometimes it is absolutely wonderful, most times it is just a black hole. However, I've been programming in Windev since v8 & I have yet to find a bug that has been a complete show-stopper. There are so many different ways to accomplish most things in Windev that when you do encounter a bug you can usually program around it.
David |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 05:37 |
Hi David,
>> does not exist anywhere
You've got to be kidding... This is crazy that they are leaving all the developers in the dark about known defects, Why would this community accept this level of behavior? My customers would surely hold my feet to the fire...
I have yet to find a bug that has been a complete show-stopper
Yes, but how much time have you un-necessarily wasted because you did not know it was a confirmed bug? I'm not complaining about the bugs. I'm complaining that they ask us to waste valuable time trying to make something work that has been confirmed as a bug, and yet give us no means of knowing that info. We developers would greatly benefit if we were told the bug exists and under what conditions. It would also keep the bug on eveyone's mind until it gets fixed, and then there is a record of it being fixed.
If there are no accountability methods concerning bug resolutions, then how does the community know if and when they are actually being fixed. I've been reading a lot here and elsewhere where bugs don't get fixed for many versions. Is this really acceptable by everyone?
What's more important, a toolset that works as advertised where bugs are quashed immediately, or one where many new features are added and work-arounds has to be incorporated to deal with the bugs? I'll take the stable toolset any day...
Thanks,
Stanley |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 06:12 |
Hello Stanley
It's a bit like buying a very young puppy. First you can't decide what colour, or what sex or what breed, but then you make the decision and buy one. You get it home and it leaves mess everywhere, chews your shoes and keeps you awake at night howling for it's mother. After a few weeks you either get rid of it or decide to train it and learn to live with it. I kept mine and after about a year you can't imagine how you ever got along without that dog and its now your best friend. Of course it sometime craps in your shoe but you love it inspite of that because it is such an amazing dog and does so much for you.
So are you a dog lover or do you prefer cats ?
Regards
Al |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 07:01 |
Hi Al,
I too am a dog lover, but I don't let it do as it pleases. For us (my dog and I) to get alone, there must be mutual respect. If my dog goes into the street, becomes a threat to someone, or threaten my lively-hood, some action needs taken. Here we are talking about what we expect from what could be our next lively-hood generator.
I am just trying to do my due-diligence before spending a lot of money and getting locked into their mindset.
You may have used PCSoft tools since version 1 and already know all there is to know about WinDev's good and bad. Or, the community may have been forced to accept what they dish out. Most of us will complain and if no action is taken to fix this issue and we become deeply vested in their technologies, you are forced to live with a sub-standard service. As a newcomer, we don't have to asn challenge them for better products and service.
Now, should we hitch our wagon to a company that ignores our needs?
Thanks,
Stanley |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 11:30 |
Hi Stanley,
Relax . it's holiday season . grab an eggnog :cheers: |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 12:36 |
CCC2 - If only a bit of relaxation would resolve this 
Stanley,
I too have pondered long and hard over the lack of "openess" regarding the list of outstanding issues/bugs.
The list MUST exist but I feel it's closely guarded and probably only available to PCS project managers and maybe the system architects. I can only think that features are fixed as and when they have time and/or when they impact on new features.
I'm pretty sure the "powers that be" within the PCS walls of power (for whatever reason), don't want us (the customers) to be privvy to their commercial decisions about what gets fixed, when they get fixed and why they get fixed. |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 19:35 |
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Darren Farmer
I'm pretty sure the "powers that be" within the PCS walls of power (for whatever reason), don't want us (the customers) to be privvy to their commercial decisions about what gets fixed, when they get fixed and why they get fixed.
No that`s wrong! - The developer at PC Soft are just young girls and they do not like bugs and other nasty creatures, but since PC Soft is quite sucessfull they hire new young talented girls every year, who get their picture posted in the brochure.
And the new babes of course takes their turn on working on the SCM. 
Cheers
Tor-Bjarne |
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| Publicado el 07,diciembre 2015 - 19:40 |
Wow! My CV is on it's way!!!  I hope I get to sit next to the photocopier?! ...unfortunately before I enter the hallowed halls, I'll have to sign the PCS official secrets act, so the list of bugs will still be shrouded in mystery!
...and I was trying to be serious :rolleyes: |
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| Publicado el 08,diciembre 2015 - 19:07 |
Hi Peter,
Great example and much needed, otherwise their "10 times faster" does not apply...
And as you stated, look how many resources PCS would save if they had a similar bug system. For me, it doesn't have to be that involved. Instead, of submitting a new bug report, I would check the bug reports database and see if its already reported. If not listed, then PCS needs to be involved.
OT... Do you think they could solve more ongoing issues and complete the half-baked stuff that CCC2 mentions above if they were to spend the money on additional programmers instead of the girls? Don't get me wrong, but pretty girls has never solved any of my technical challenges, or help me "work 10 times faster". Give me a stable and completed toolset first, and if you have money left over, by all means, include the pretty girls...
Thanks,
Stanley |
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| Publicado el 09,diciembre 2015 - 08:57 |
Hey Stanley,
Don't get me wrong... I'm a happy WX users since 1999 (WD 5.5b) and I still love the development environment and especially its completeness, openness towards other languages and the speed of development you can get out of it.
It is not my only toolset/technology I program in so I can compare. I'ld say that I spend around 40%-50% of my time in the WX toolset and either you'll love it, or you'll hate it. I certainly love it because you can get great results in an extremely short development cycle once you really grasped its philosophy and you've created your own base reusable frameworks/components/templates.
There are some downsides of which most of them have been mentioned in this and other threads. It concerns things like the support system, some half baked solutions during the initial release, the dev environment being locked-down to a certain extent (no ability to e.g. generate a class and save it as .wdc file)... On the other hand, the positive elements outnumber these downsides for most types of projects so that's why I often still choose WX as a preferred toolset to develop certain stuff at warp speed and meet or even excel customer expectations.
There's also the price aspect. Whatever you create with WX is royalty free for distribution apart of some add-ons like the WAS for WB (around 300€/$ I believe or the native access to e.g. SQL server although I get 99% of that done via standard and free oleDB) and the toolset itself is not very expensive neither if you look at the completeness of the product.
So I'ld say: give it a go and you'll see: either you love it, either you hate it. The initial investment is finally not that big from an amount view, it 'll be more the time you need to make yourself productive in the toolset and understanding and getting to know all its features.
Coming from FoxPro (or VFP) I'm convinced you'll love it after a while and you'll find some of its feature really genius.
Good luck!
Peter H. |
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| Publicado el 09,diciembre 2015 - 13:47 |
Hi Peter ,
Genius, or Just Obsessive?
for example HFSQL ,
- is there a reason to create this product when out there alot of paid/free database server available?
- no sql compliance.
- use their own sql dialect.
I think it 's better PCS give HFSQL to opensource community , they might make it better. |
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| Publicado el 09,diciembre 2015 - 14:20 |
| Personaly, I like HFSQL. Especially the price. |
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| Publicado el 09,diciembre 2015 - 18:21 |
Hi
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CCC2
for example HFSQL ,
- is there a reason to create this product when out there alot of paid/free database server available?
- no sql compliance.
- use their own sql dialect.
You are forgetting a few things:
- HF was created several years BEFORE mysql and any other free DB that I know of (it was available under MS/DOS with the highscreen/hyperscreen ancestors of windev, BEFORE windows came up), so the question becomes: is there a reason to create mysql and postgressql when HF already exist? And I don't find the question more relevant in that direction either.
- HF is available for windows, linux, MacOS, IOS, and Android... Do you know ANY other free DB that can say the same?
So you may not like HF for your own reasons, but it's there, it's very good, and it's going to stay that way, if you don't like it
Best regards |
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| Publicado el 09,diciembre 2015 - 21:03 |
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Fabrice Harari
- HF was created several years BEFORE mysql and any other free DB that I know of (it was available under MS/DOS with the highscreen/hyperscreen ancestors of windev, BEFORE windows came up), so the question becomes: is there a reason to create mysql and postgressql when HF already exist? And I don't find the question more relevant in that direction either.
- HF is available for windows, linux, MacOS, IOS, and Android... Do you know ANY other free DB that can say the same?
Best regards
Hi Fabrice,
I not talking about HF classic.
for available for windows, linux, MacOS, IOS, and Android => sqlite |
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