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| Publicado el 23,febrero 2016 - 22:40 |
Hi,
Iam using version 21 to get my main site to be responsive. And have a question on that:
- How can I create a responsive template
( I can start with a blak responsive site or a responsive site with some stuff on it but I cannot create a template. (please help )
If I cannot use templates then working with webdev is a lot more work!!
- Do you have to start with responsive site form the get go or is it possible to change a site to be responsive > As I see it the first is the case.
regards
allard |
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| Publicado el 24,febrero 2016 - 17:10 |
Hi Allard
the simple answer is: RESPONSIVE is -NOT- ready yet. Stop wasting your time. They'll need an extra month or two to have something working correctly on that point
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| Publicado el 25,febrero 2016 - 10:38 |
Thanks,
Indeed that seems to be the case. Nothing to do then to wait for the englisch version I guess
regards
Allard |
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| Publicado el 25,febrero 2016 - 11:48 |
Hi Allard,
The responsive design concept works pretty well for basic page designs. I haven't tried it with grids and loopers yet though so I have no idea if these become responsive as well in resizing/replacing behaviour. However, the lack of being able to define repsonsive design page templates makes it near to unusable imho...
It might be a good idea to inform via Tech Support ("I would like to get technical information") if this responsive design at template level is foreseen in the near future. If not I'll be probably using other technology for anything that needs to be in accordance with the responsive design pattern for now.
Cheers,
Peter H. |
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| Publicado el 25,febrero 2016 - 12:12 |
I was really looking forward to getting my hands on the new WB21 for this feature alone! I REALLY hope it's not going to be one of those half-baked implementations. It must work for me to even consider purchasing WB21!
Oh, and some useable templates would be good also... |
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| Publicado el 25,febrero 2016 - 14:46 |
Hi all
there is a looooooooooong thread about this subject on the french webdev forum. So if you want the details, google translate it.
The gist of it:
- template in responsive is coming
- nothing works as it should
- it's a complete waste of time to try it now
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| Publicado el 25,febrero 2016 - 15:08 |
LST101 has an example using bootstrap. I don;t have the time to look into it, so I cannot tell you more.
Since 'responsive' is not working in WB21 as advertised, pcsoft might be willing to send you a copy |
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| Publicado el 25,febrero 2016 - 22:47 |
Hmmm, I see what you mean Fabrics... lot's of frustrated people on the French forum. The most worrying comment for me came from pcs; almost asking people not to expect too much 'cos it's a large complex area  I'm officially not holding my breath for Responsive functionality in WB21. |
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| Publicado el 26,febrero 2016 - 06:58 |
Just my 2 cents.
Can one use the MVC approach to build responsive web apps using Bootstrap and HTML5 (views only) in WB?
Regards,
Yogi Yang |
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| Publicado el 26,febrero 2016 - 10:10 |
This is the main reason for me to upgrade to WB 21.
At the moment my web site looks and work fantastic on my 17" 1920x1080 resolution.
As soon as users open on a 155 notebook, in Chrome then they have to scroll left or right to see the full page.
In Chrome you cannot zoom out to a custom % so it is that 75% fits the whole page on the screen but it is a little bit to small to work with.
Is this what responsive websites are supposed to overcome and if the responsive website is not working what alternatives are there for me to have a landscape design fit perfectly on my customers 15" monitor?
Thanks in advance
Ericus Steyn |
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| Publicado el 26,febrero 2016 - 13:35 |
Hi Ericus,
it was always possible to do this kind of thing in webdev, - BY CODE-
Have a look at my wxshowroom.com main page: the content will adapt automatically to the size of the browser (I did NOT implement it for when you resize the browser, so you'll have to reload the page), but it basically doesn't matter what size the browser is, the page will adapt.
And that was coded in webdev 18.
Best regards |
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| Publicado el 01,marzo 2016 - 09:21 |
Hi Fabrice,
No sorry but this isnot the case. The top of t he page doesnot scale after reload ( tested with Opera). does this matter ?
Yes it does.
- Google lists pages that do scale better higher then pages that do not.
- Modern sites are responsive. There are a lot of sites that are not but as a small software company it is a big deal to have a modern looking site. Not only the bootstrap scaling but also the graffics used etc. is important. That is if you want to generated business making websites.
I visited a potential client, for selling my project manangement software witch is a windev app. They are a traditional company. But for their site they made it responsive. Because everybody does it and they want to snet a message to their clientel. The message : we do things by new standards ( eventhough it is an angeniering company.
( I even changes all the images in my windev app to match the new styling. I was verry happy pcsoft did profide these immages with version 20 !!)
So Yes it matters. If you do not get this think about it again.
I hope pc soft does somthing about this for it becomes more important every day!
regards
allard |
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| Publicado el 01,marzo 2016 - 16:32 |
Hi Allard
thank you for the lesson but I know all that...
I was NOT saying that the whole page is coded as responsive, I was saying that I coded the middle of the page that way, all by code, in webdev, and that it is possible to do it for a WHOLE page if you know what you are doing. A proof of concept, if you will.
I could do the same for the title, the menu and everything else. I just did not have the time to play with it.
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| Publicado el 02,marzo 2016 - 17:32 |
Windev made a huge error with Webdev by getting involved in the presentation UX side of web pages. I'm not terribly confident they'll ever be able to conquer this. Not to be overly critical of people's work but I don't think I've ever seen a truly good looking website developed purely in Webdev. It's probably a good tool for B2B, Intranet, and the web based business software but I don't think it's a good solution for consumer facing websites, with exception of widgets that might fit within an otherwise non web dev site. I love Windev but the one thing I liked better about my previous development tool (Magic) was their web paradigm which used a tagging mechanism to inject data into pages and allowed for the complete separation of UI and business logic.
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| Publicado el 03,marzo 2016 - 11:00 |
Hi Steve
that's funny. What you are describing in magic is what we were doing before webdev existed (we= I and a few other crazy frenchies). Develop the web pages in 'something' (dreamviewer for me), add tags in them, then use a windev program called by each button and so on with parameters to replace the tags...
It was working, true, but it was a pain in the ass compared to webdev.
And I have seen some beautiful webdev sites. It happens when there is a graphical artist involved instead of just a coder 
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| Publicado el 03,marzo 2016 - 18:28 |
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Fabrice Harari
Hi Steve
that's funny. What you are describing in magic is what we were doing before webdev existed (we= I and a few other crazy frenchies). Develop the web pages in 'something' (dreamviewer for me), add tags in them, then use a windev program called by each button and so on with parameters to replace the tags...
It was working, true, but it was a pain in the ass compared to webdev.
And I have seen some beautiful webdev sites. It happens when there is a graphical artist involved instead of just a coder
Best regards
The problem is that it's very hard to get a graphical artist involved when they can't develop the pages outside of web dev. Plus then you have to get web dev licenses for users who really should not need them. |
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| Publicado el 04,marzo 2016 - 09:18 |
Hi,
My thoughts on this where like you but I have changed my view on this.
There are other software rad platforms out tere that makes developing an app fast.
- Mendix
- Out systems
- sales force
The first 2 work with pre build templates and a code generation engine. Code gets generated from visual flow diagramms. They have control over the page via template engines and code gets generated. But they work verry fast.
Then there is sales fors witch is 100% webbased and fast as well. You can programm in it as well.
But there are 2 levels of developers the first doesnot need to code at all the second can.
Then there is php /jquerie/html5 and Visual studio. Theseare all about coding. Flexible but verry slow. Gives full control but takes ages. PHP you can start with opensource this helps speed.
Then there is webdev. I think for snall teams wbdev fits right between the other plaforms. You have control through coding. A cool lanuage that is verry fast in doing pretty mutch anything database related stuff. ( meaning the logic side of things). Leaving the pluming stuff to PC soft.( ajax / html5 etc ).
The way I see it now is that it gives maximal functional programming capabilities without the need to do the difficult plumming. Thus it gives you speed.
Nice comes in handy that it is open to .net so you can do things that need low level programming if need be. Moast of the time this is not needed though.
If you work with webdev and windev as well you have to work the way the tool looks at things so it can help you speed things up.
Take a look at mendix for instance. It gives you less control. But it does what it needs to do and gives enormouse speed. Thus it becomes more and more accepted and used.
Webdev just might be the tool that gives the best of both worlds. Use it as intended and you get speed and programming capabilities.
If webdev developers where working as mendix developers they could take on projects like the mendix developers do. Mendix developers work in teams up to 5 developers and they deliver apps in weeks not months . And They take on big projects with big budgets!!!!
Just my thoughts
regards
Allard |
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